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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Findecano » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:50 pm

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Avalon101 wrote:40k radio just reconfirmed that wood elves are in May on their facebook page. Dwarves in Feb, Imperial Knights in March.


Is 'Imperial Knights' a 40k or fantasy thing? Are they actually going to redo core empire plastic knights??? That makes me excited


Somebody was similiarly confused on facebook. It's a 40k thing...


Ok, so big stompy robots for the Imperial Guard, rather than noble horse-riding tin cans for my Marienburgers, figures I suppose.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby godswearhats » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:26 am

Findecano wrote:I very much doubt EG will get shifted into core without a stat nerd, I can't see WS5 Ld9 Stubborn making it into the core section, they've got 'special' written all over them (note that all the other bodyguard units in the game are special units (Temple/tomb/grave/black guard, White Lions etc). Even high elves don't really have any of their specialist units in core, its their basic cavalry, their basic infantry, their basic archers etc. In a sense the core section is precisely for basic, 'bland' units, the fancy stuff is always in special/rare.


I actually think Shandrakor got it right in his alternate list. Glade Guard will get some optional upgrades to make them better in close combat should you choose.

I think core units can be interesting and fluffy. Certainly the other two elf bonks have that (I'm thinking Witch Elves and Lothern Sea Guard for example).
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby danny1995 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:18 am

There is also a sudden appearance of no more separate Brets according to 40k radio, not a for sure, but the possibility exists that they will be folded into the empire army...
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Samoht » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:40 am

hutobega wrote:Samhot...great post I agree with you almost 100%. owl stuff would be awesome.. I do want a NEW unicorn for spellweavers but not a whole unit. Spearmen would be kind of boring...And a chariot would be sort of wierd but beastmen get one and they live in the forests hmmm Stag chariot? jk could be a scary idea though but flying one would make me die. I hate it for HE and i would hate it for WE...


Thanks, I agree that a new unicorn model for spellweavers would be great, some slightly reworked rules too.

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I really liked the 3rd Edition Wardancers and all the Feathers and Tattoos.
That Looks something that's been missing lately for me - as fine as the last edition of plastic Elves were.
It was more Standard Look and not enough mixed wild Highlander/Mohawk for me.


Me too, I mostly loved the route that 7th took the Asrai, I love the more feral wild nature, but I'd like to see more of the AmIndian / Celtic look return, in conjunction with the wild wood.

Findecano wrote:No offence, but I really hope they come up with something more original than 'trainee wardancers' for the dual build for that kit, even having sucky wardancers in the army list at all would be an affront to the unit concept imho. I was thinking something more like a unit of alter kindred elves, asrai that are in the process of transforming into forest spirits, fast moving, hard hitting, (maybe even ethereal?), forest spirit ward saves, but still basically still elves on foot.

I very much doubt EG will get shifted into core without a stat nerd, I can't see WS5 Ld9 Stubborn making it into the core section, they've got 'special' written all over them (note that all the other bodyguard units in the game are special units (Temple/tomb/grave/black guard, White Lions etc). Even high elves don't really have any of their specialist units in core, its their basic cavalry, their basic infantry, their basic archers etc. In a sense the core section is precisely for basic, 'bland' units, the fancy stuff is always in special/rare.


No offence taken at all, discussion and differing opinion are what create new ideas and interest for me in this hobby. My trainee Wardancer idea is not really my idea anyway, I've seen it on here somewhere. Like you I basically just want a more cc orientated core troop choice, your Alter Kindred idea works fine for me.


danny1995 wrote:There is also a sudden appearance of no more separate Brets according to 40k radio, not a for sure, but the possibility exists that they will be folded into the empire army...


Which would be a tragedy, Bretonnians are no Empire and although I understand the army is a low seller, it's so interesting to WFB fluff and variety to have them as a separate realm (and army) to the Empire.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby godswearhats » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:29 pm

Let me kill the Bretonnia rumor right now. Bretonnians are not "suddenly disappearing". The models have slowly been going out of stock over the last year, and different countries have different models in stock. This is perfectly natural when you consider that the range will get a re-release at some point during the year: why go to the trouble of casting more models for a medium that you are trying to eliminate? It's the same with the Wood Elves - e.g. you can no longer find the Wardancer Hero on the GW website for some countries.

Bear in mind that Wood Elves are the lowest selling army in the whole GW range, accounting for < 1% of the range. However, even if you only assume that is 0.5% of revenue that's still > $1MM every year coming from Wood Elves. Every other army sells more than that. Space Marines account for 30% of revenue (fantasy is estimated at about half of that), which means they are firmly the cash cow: they are funding pretty much everything that GW does. As long as they keep churning those out, they make enough money to continue to build the rest of their range, including the entire fantasy range.

It is more likely, from a business standpoint, that GW would cut Fantasy entirely. However, the IP makes them a bunch of free money and the franchise itself is profitable (and the Warhammer brand very well known) that this seems also to be extremely unlikely.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Nartus Hilum » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:22 pm

Hey guys not sure if you read this but it is on Bell of Lost Souls

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/01/ ... ntasy.html

If this is true could we see smaller units as we do now for Athel Loren? As usual talk some of that darn good salt with it.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Findecano » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:39 pm

Nartus Hilum wrote:Hey guys not sure if you read this but it is on Bell of Lost Souls

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/01/ ... ntasy.html

If this is true could we see smaller units as we do now for Athel Loren? As usual talk some of that darn good salt with it.


Well smaller units would certainly help us out, not just because our units tend to be high cost, and therefore smaller anyway, but also because we will usually be striking first and being able to remove half the opposing unit before they get to swing will most likely mean we can reduce the damage that we take back.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby LandonElf » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:24 pm

We know from Harry that Bretonnians are in the pipeline, but 40k radio just dropped a bomb by saying they would be folded into Empire. This creates a pretty big conflict of information as the Empire book is newer and would not be reprinted so soon. These are two of the most trusted rumour sources, so its hard to pick a side here.

I for one, think that a skirmish (aka smaller model count) variant of fantasy would be more beneficial for woodelves on a competitive level. My woodelves always to better in smaller games, likely because I am not overwhelmed with threats and mistakes made by my opponent are harder for them to recover from.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Findecano » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:29 pm

40k radio said Bretonnians might be folded into Empire, not that they definitely would, looking on the bright side, at least they're not lumping the brets in with us...
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Samoht » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:07 pm

To add, for Wardancers I want them to be updated with a look that merges 5th and 7th versions.

7th Wardancers were just too dull and flat looking, but fit the modern better Asrai themes. 5th had bad outfits, but a more imposing dramatic style.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby danny1995 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:11 am

Samoht wrote:To add, for Wardancers I want them to be updated with a look that merges 5th and 7th versions.

7th Wardancers were just too dull and flat looking, but fit the modern better Asrai themes. 5th had bad outfits, but a more imposing dramatic style.


7th wardancers eh? I didn't realise there was a supplement for wardancers. Just teasing, reminder that our book and models are from 6th edition not 7th.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Samoht » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:40 am

danny1995 wrote:
Samoht wrote:To add, for Wardancers I want them to be updated with a look that merges 5th and 7th versions.

7th Wardancers were just too dull and flat looking, but fit the modern better Asrai themes. 5th had bad outfits, but a more imposing dramatic style.


7th wardancers eh? I didn't realise there was a supplement for wardancers. Just teasing, reminder that our book and models are from 6th edition not 7th.


I couldn't remember, so actually went in and tried to Wikipedia which edition the current range was from! :confused:

The Wiki just confused me further, because it was indicating a 4th edition release for our previous book, so I just threw out two numbers and hoped.... :D
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Caranthir Ciryatan » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:08 pm

If GW are considering merging Bretonnia with the Empire, it means that their sales is lower than that of the Asrai. If GW do merge them with the Empire, all their fluff and identity will be lost, they will became simply allies. I much doubt this rumor, the least that they will come with is to publish an updated supplement as the one that came out a few years back for Kislev.

Someone mentioned the possibility or the wish of a multi-option plastic cavalry flighing unit with the options of warhawks and great owls, that would be great. I also see a possibility of plastic great eagles with the option of a rider.

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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby WizzyWarlock » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:08 pm

I think Bretonnian's are going to end up bundled in with the Wood Elves, but a very cut down version of Bretonnia, so just what you're seeing on the GW website now - Men at Arms, Knights of the Realm, Pegasus Knights, Peasant Bowmen, Mounted Yeoman, Damsels. Mixing the two then fixes what's missing from the Wood Elf book; cheap infantry, high armour save knights and decent choices for hero level mages, while also adding some variety to Bretonnia with monstrous infantry, monsters and decent foot troops. I think the mix of the two could work, although the new book would be neither Wood Elves or Bretonnia, but something to do with their location - Guardians of Athel Loren or something like that.

The main reason I see this happening is because of how much of the Bretonnian range has disappeared, despite no rumours about what's actually happening to them. People are saying they'd end up joined with Empire, but Empire came out not too long ago, I really can't see them making another book for them so soon, plus Empire have enough Knights and cheap troops, they really don't need any more. With the Wood Elf book being so close to release, on top of the rumour that the book was ready for release a while ago but later scrapped, gets me thinking it was scrapped to include this new idea. The Wood Elf fluff is full of Bretonnian history, including battles fought together and a friendship between the two, so seeing the two come together into one book really wouldn't surprise me.

Not sure if I'd like it though.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby frogboy » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:13 pm

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, Dwarf rumours confirmed...

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120737

What this means is that earlier rumour sources were correct and that Wood Elf rumours are also likely to be true, I guess.

As far Bretonnians being merged into another army personally I can't see that happening, perhaps someone got their information mixed up, I'd say it's more likely that there will be several releases in the same month now with the arrival of the new White Dwarf. Look at the paragraph below the main picture, says new rules will be included in the new White Dwarf...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?type=article&aId=24100004a&utm_term=other&utm_medium=email&utm_content=image-link-body&utm_source=e18600030-en_GB&utm_campaign=WDNewsletter-en_GB&_requestid=2255687

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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Nartus Hilum » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:48 pm

If the Brets do get rolled in would that give WE some needed Close Combat units? Or rather something other then treekin/treeman/dryads? Could run them in a blob squad or something. I am unfamiliar with Brets so just a thought.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Findecano » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:29 pm

WizzyWarlock wrote:I think Bretonnian's are going to end up bundled in with the Wood Elves, but a very cut down version of Bretonnia, so just what you're seeing on the GW website now - Men at Arms, Knights of the Realm, Pegasus Knights, Peasant Bowmen, Mounted Yeoman, Damsels. Mixing the two then fixes what's missing from the Wood Elf book; cheap infantry, high armour save knights and decent choices for hero level mages, while also adding some variety to Bretonnia with monstrous infantry, monsters and decent foot troops. I think the mix of the two could work, although the new book would be neither Wood Elves or Bretonnia, but something to do with their location - Guardians of Athel Loren or something like that.

The main reason I see this happening is because of how much of the Bretonnian range has disappeared, despite no rumours about what's actually happening to them. People are saying they'd end up joined with Empire, but Empire came out not too long ago, I really can't see them making another book for them so soon, plus Empire have enough Knights and cheap troops, they really don't need any more. With the Wood Elf book being so close to release, on top of the rumour that the book was ready for release a while ago but later scrapped, gets me thinking it was scrapped to include this new idea. The Wood Elf fluff is full of Bretonnian history, including battles fought together and a friendship between the two, so seeing the two come together into one book really wouldn't surprise me.

Not sure if I'd like it though.


Why on a earth would they roll Wood elves and Bretonnians into the same army, geographical convenience? The armies are worlds apart from each other in their playstyle and they are not so buddy-buddy in the background that I can believe GW would force that through. Much more likely to roll them into the other human army IMHO (and this actually has a credible rumour source behind it - 40k radio).

Harry on warseer has said he had heard that Brettonians are "in the pipeline", but wouldn't say more than that, so I guess that suggests they won't be shelved, but could be very different the next time they get updated.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Pigey » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Caranthir Ciryatan wrote:Someone mentioned the possibility or the wish of a multi-option plastic cavalry flighing unit with the options of warhawks and great owls, that would be great. I also see a possibility of plastic great eagles with the option of a rider.


I can definitely see that happening. I would even say that you could get some MC with warhawks riders, and for the great owls some sort of lighter magic MC.

The thing for the Great Eagle seems possible as well, though I would picture better a kit with a character on foot and another one you could put on a Great Eagle and/or horse.


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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby popisdead » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:24 pm

Samoht wrote:The Wiki just confused me further, because it was indicating a 4th edition release for our previous book, so I just threw out two numbers and hoped.... :D


We got a book at the end of 4th, then 5th ed came out. We got a book at the end of 6th then 7th ed came out.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby frogboy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:24 am

So White Dwarf has hit and with it new weekly releases, there's no Dwarf Army Book (yet ?) and there still trying to flog us metal minis (£80 for half a unit of dwarf slayers !)

What dose this mean ? Well I guess only time will tell...

One thing I'll be interested in is will the Slayers still be available to buy after the month is done or are they (the evil GW lords) just trying to get rid of as many as they can before next week or the next weeks release, I'm defiantly going to be careful with my purchases from here on in, if GW ever get round to a Wood Elf Update that is (rumour has it May)...

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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Findecano » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:56 pm

frogboy wrote:So White Dwarf has hit and with it new weekly releases, there's no Dwarf Army Book (yet ?) and there still trying to flog us metal minis (£80 for half a unit of dwarf slayers !)

What dose this mean ? Well I guess only time will tell...

One thing I'll be interested in is will the Slayers still be available to buy after the month is done or are they (the evil GW lords) just trying to get rid of as many as they can before next week or the next weeks release, I'm defiantly going to be careful with my purchases from here on in, if GW ever get round to a Wood Elf Update that is (rumour has it May)...

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I'm slightly shocked that the dwarf army book is not in the first release wave, and I assume this is an experiment of sorts. I wonder how much sales will be affected by the fact that no-one knows what the rules of the units on sale (hammerers/longbeards) will be. I think they might be trying this out to see if people will buy models just because they like them without knowing what the rules actually do.

If I were a dwarf player I'd be pretty miffed by this because even if I liked the new models enough to buy them on the strength of the model design alone I still wouldn't know which unit to assemble them as until I had the book.

I'm hoping that sales of the new dwarf hammers/longbeards are deplorably low until they release the book so they don't screw wood elves in the same way.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Jossebuschman » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:29 pm

It would not surprise me if no new slayers are released. The current models are fine.

Weird that there is no new armybook yet. On the other hand, the old one is not available anymore either so I guess it's coming.

I noticed crossbowmen/quarrelers are now in the rare section as well as core.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby popisdead » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:06 pm

With the weekly format I heard a rumour GW wants to release stuff on a weekly basis. Not sure that makes sense.
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby frogboy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:51 pm

I was also shocked, IMO games Workshop got it wrong again, I mean everyone knows we get a new book at the beginning of the month or something else exciting, I was not excited, i had a look at the hammerers/long beards which are nice, thought the new Character looked like it is from a different minature company (didn't like it), so that took 2 minutes, once I realised the slayers were the old ones and cost more than twice that of the Avatars of War boxed set I was done.

I was gutted really, Dwarfs were my very first army... :cry:

But what dose this all mean for us Wood Elves ? So they are not getting rid of metal ? So our assumptions up to now have mostly been based on us getting new plastic kits to replace our metal. Dose this mean we may keep our metal ? Perhaps this is a question for a different thread ? I don't know, I'm so confused right now :confused:
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Re: Wood Elves rumours

Postby Caranthir Ciryatan » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:06 pm

The change of the WD magazine from monthly to weekly will surely play a part in games workshop strategy of issuing new models, army books and 40k codex on a weekly bases. In this way they hope to increase their sale. It makes sense as for myself I tend to chose wisely each month what to buy next from my collecting. But on a weeky base that will tend to be tricky as new courageous models are released. And yes a wile ago GW said that they wanted to get rid of all medal models as the process is more complicated and expensive that producing models in plastic.

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